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Is Creating Stiga-esque Players for a Benej Table Feasible?

 
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 12:58 pm    Post subject: Is Creating Stiga-esque Players for a Benej Table Feasible? Reply with quote

Long time lurker here posing a question for all of you much more experienced than I in the Benej table and table hockey in general.

My sons and I play on an NHL Stiga table but when I finally finish our basement I plan to purchase a Benej table. However, we have grown to like playing with 3D figures and wondered if the playing quality would suffer if we tried to create Stiga like players for a Benej. When I was a kid, I modified and cast toy soldiers so I think I could create some halfway decent prototype figures with today's resin or urethane casting technology. But without even experiencing the pleasure of seeing a Benej in person I'm wondering if it is a waste of time considering how much thought and engineering has gone into designing and building it in the first place.

I welcome your thoughts.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Steve, The first thought that goes into my head with the Benej table is that the players are designed to work with that puck to raise shots. (note the ridges on the puck and the player sticks)

I would suspect the process of making 3D players to fit on the Benej player slot could be pricey but not impossible if someone had the ability and skill to do it.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have had my Benej table for over two months. I absolutely love the flat players. They seem to be a perfect fit for the Benej ice surface and puck. The flat players allow for various redirect/one timer shots from center. In addition, learning to lift shots is a lot of fun. To maintain the intended game play style, 3D players would require large stick blade surface area and ridges.

It is very difficult for me to to go back and play with 3D players on my old STIGA table.

Just my opinion.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had pretty the same thougths. If a game is designed to play one way, it's difficult to change something without changing the gameplay.

In my opinion, an alternative possibility should be to add a sort of "bas-relief" (not sure of the english translation) on the current flat players, being carefull to not add anything 3d especially on the blade.

I explain with a scheme :




The idea is to take a normal flat player, and add on each side a semi 3d half player on it.

If you make it right, it will not change at all the game feeling and playability of 2d flat players, and add the fancy 3d you want.

I'm pretty sure I saw that type of players ("almost 3d") on a high end canadian table hockey brand...perhaps specialists will know better than me.

but honestly, the benej game and flat figures are so cool, it's a shame to change them Laughing

just buy a side stiga game if you want 3d, perhaps ?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is something I have been trying to do since I purchased the Benej. I tried taking McFarlane 3" failed. I tried Gretzky players (to heavy). I even thought of something similar to French-guy by cutting the 3D players in half and glue them on each side (Too hard).
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 11:23 am    Post subject: Sculpt Reply with quote

I designed a proto type 3 -D play player ( goalie ) for Ric about 2-3 yrs ago in hopes he would produce a 3 -D version for his game. I even offered to do the work ( sculptures ) for free because I loved his board so much .( I don't really care for the flats ) but nothing ever came from it . I think maybe if you took a flat player and sculpted on top of the plastic and then took a dremel and carved away bits and pieces to make it more 3-D , you might come up with something you could then cast in durable hard plastic . I think 5 different poses maybe based on player position might be very cool.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 3:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Sculpt Reply with quote

DTHLcommish wrote:
I designed a proto type 3 -D play player ( goalie ) for Ric about 2-3 yrs ago in hopes he would produce a 3 -D version for his game. I even offered to do the work ( sculptures ) for free because I loved his board so much .( I don't really care for the flats ) but nothing ever came from it . I think maybe if you took a flat player and sculpted on top of the plastic and then took a dremel and carved away bits and pieces to make it more 3-D , you might come up with something you could then cast in durable hard plastic . I think 5 different poses maybe based on player position might be very cool.


I was also thinking of sculpting different poses for different positions. I think the Benej table looks so realistic that 3D players that perform well would really add another element to the game.

Assuming I can't sculpt a quality player (unfortunately a very likely conclusion), I contacted some commercial sculptors who quoted $350 to $500 per 3" figure. DTHL Commish, perhaps you'd offer a more attractive rate?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 8:17 pm    Post subject: 16 yrs Reply with quote

I was a sculptor for 16 years and ran my own biz providing work to collectors and businesses around the US . So Im sure I could provide something cool . I think I have a plastic Benej player somewhere around the house so if you want I'll take a stab at creating a 3-D figure . The best part ? because Im in the community of crazy nut job's who play these games ... I'll do it for free . Now having said that , your biggest challenge might be making all the copies of these little guys once I do the originals. Then you can share the idea which I think will be a great new twist on an already great board . Its actually probably going to cost me 600 bucks to get a Benej cause then I HAVE to buy one instead of just wanting one .PM me with your mailing address and try to send you some stage by stage photos . T i m
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 1:41 pm    Post subject: Re: 16 yrs Reply with quote

DTHLcommish wrote:
PM me with your mailing address and try to send you some stage by stage photos . T i m


Tim, the PM has been hung up in the outbox all day (what's up with that?!). My email address is: ess jay underscore oh are ee aye el el why seven at hotmail dot com.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is anyone currently making custom Benej decals of NHL teams?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 9:06 am    Post subject: Re: 16 yrs Reply with quote

Steveor wrote:
DTHLcommish wrote:
PM me with your mailing address and try to send you some stage by stage photos . T i m


Tim, the PM has been hung up in the outbox all day (what's up with that?!). My email address is: ess jay underscore oh are ee aye el el why seven at hotmail dot com.

Steve


The PM sits in the Outbox until the person reads it.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 9:34 am    Post subject: Re: 16 yrs Reply with quote

Paul wrote:
The PM sits in the Outbox until the person reads it.


I guess if I used these forums more I would have know that. Live and learn.

DTHLcommish, Check your inbox please.
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