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PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 2:50 pm    Post subject: improving my stiga game, work in progress Reply with quote

Hi,

So I bought and received a stiga playoff high speed edition game.





Nice game, but I believe I can improve it to make it look better, but more important, play better, especially for my brutal friends Laughing


I started by removing the ice surface, and I lubricated all the moving stuff, with silicone spray, grease, or mix of the two things.

Grease on rods gears
Spray on gears assembly and spring assembly
mix on slots
spray on a clothe than rubbed on the rods metal

Now the game is really, really smooth. Here's a little video to see where I am :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmJO6Yask_0


Tomorrow, I'll build a wood frame (game will be secured with bolts), and level the game surface (especially the right wing player slot : left side of the goalie, near the wall...On both sides). I will also stick the ice surface with double sided tape everywhere. So it will be more firm and regular.

Here's a plan of what I'm thinking about for the frame.




Of course it will not be 100% accurate for what I'll do (especially the rods sides, because the frame have to not interfer in the game handling), but it give a starting point and ideas for next steps.

Any advises for other tuning tips on stiga games are very welcome. thanks !
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Man, that black looks good.....

You got the right idea. This would fix most of the issues I have with this game. It won't warp sitting on that frame.

Suggestions? Your doing fine without my help...but maybe drill some holes in your frame so you can run a few bolts up to stabilize the surface if you have to later on, something like Jim did here with his Eagle:

http://www.tablehockeyheaven.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=225

I think some forum members have done this with a Stiga, but can't find a link.

Keep posting pics and keep up the good work Clapping Clapping
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for the input ! Very Happy

This afternoon, I built my wood frame. Nailed, screwed, with metal parts and PVA glue. Sturdy I can sit on it if I want (about 200lbs Rolling On Floor Laughing )

Here's pics of what I did.

I started creating the main frame. pine wood, glued and nailed, with metal reinforcements in the corners :




Then, I remove a little bit of plastic on my goals holes, because it was right in contact with the frame :




I added sides to "pinch" the plastic frame and make a nice finish touch. I finally added 3 cleats to add rigidity. These wood cleats are just in front of the plastic stock bars. So the plastic frame assembly just sits on it perfectly.





As you can see on this video, the game is now really rigid and firm :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_AKj4Vo3SU


Next step : re-glueing the ice surface. Then, I'll make final adjustements (for example, adding new cleats for levelling if needed), put wood feet, and paint all the thing in black flat paint to have a nice arcade cabinet style hockey table.

Finally, I'll put the score bars on the side wood frame, it will be better looking, and it will not annoy me if I want to go for a full plexiglass around the game.

The game frame will be attached with 4 big bolts to the wood frame, so I'll be able to dismantle it for maintainance and stuff like that. I'll also add a sturdy metal black carry handle on one side.

To be continued...
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 3:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

I just finished my wood frame. Here' s a pic of it :



I also drilled holes in the stiga game frame, to attach it to the wood frame :



Now, I'll paint it in black, and try to find some rubber bits to glue on the feet.


to be continued...
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the frame is painted !

I'll let it dry a little, then, clear coat it with a gloss varnish.




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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very good thinking, FrenchGuy. C'est génial!
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Merci !


I added some rubber pads on the feet, to avoid board sliding.

I simply recycled some rubber car's carpet, washed it and glued it with neoprene glue.

Here's the pics :






the feet pads are about 10cms x 15mm (about 4" x 1/2"), exterior to the game frame. With the extra weight of the wood frame, it should bring us a good stability.

Now I'll attach the game on the frame. I'll see if I go for a gloss varnish or not.

Finally, I'll stick the ice surface with double sided thin tape.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I attached the game to the frame...I was so excited I wanted to show you right now the result Hockey 1









I'll just go for a light glossy varnish, to protect the paint. I'm happy with the chromed bolts, it gives a cool arcade cabinet look and feel.

the game is no really firm and rigid, there is just a point in the very center where you can push the field on about 5millimeters...I'll let it like that for now (even if I can fix this point in 2 seconds, I just have to add some hot glue or something like that). I believe if the conceptors lets this particular point moving freely, there is certainly a reason.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's the ice surface !

I glued it with double sided tape. The ice surface stills a little loose, but I could'nt make a better work Embarassed

Here's some pics, and a little video of it





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEea8BcuNOQ

Final pics tommorow !
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks great! You must be working day and night French Guy!

Keep it KrAnKiN!
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks ! the overall project took me 2 days, tommorow Il'l finish it (adding the score rulers, fix little defects on ice surface attaching, varnish the frame, and install the teams, net and plexiglass).

I thought that I'll paint the teams later, to not spend all my holiday weeks (I works friday) on this project...and of course, to be able to play a little with my new game ! Hockey 1


EDIT : I could not resist and varnished the frame Laughing





With a little addition of furniture spray on the plastic frame, it will give a nice overall aspect.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very nice, clean and sleek looking. Makes the Stiga game look less cheap.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Definately improves the visuals well done!
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great looking game.
Great work, I'm sure you will get countless hours of fun out of it.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for the comments Clapping

Now I'm working on the board again. I'll replace the nice looking bolts with standard bolts Rolling Eyes

the reason is simple, I can't firmly attach the current bolts, since I don't want to tune it each time, I prefer to use less good looking bolt but more eficient.

I'll posts pics of the final result soon !
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 4:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That looks really slick. I cannot believe how sharp the black stiga looks. Nice job!
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks !

Today I worked hard on last levelling touches, adding double sided tape underneath ice surface edges, glueing (hot glue) the plastic frame rigidity posts, etc...

I finally sticked the players with double sided tape, and remounted everything. My brother came to visit me, I had my first game, and severely beated my bro with a 6-1 score Flex Rolling On Floor Laughing


THIS GAME IS SO MUCH FUN ! Forget about 3d game consoles, THAT is THE game (with miniature football of course! Cool ) Devil

Here's some pics of the board 99% finished. Need to add the carry handle, clean a little the plastic frame with furniture polish, and fix the score rulers.








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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I installed the score rulers, one on each side of the game. Now I just have to install the carry handle !

Here's a pic :




link to the bigger version :

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l8/slotdem/DSCF4797.jpg


edit : game completed !

i cleaned all the mess, and added the carry handle. Here's some night pics, I'll do some better ones tommorow :






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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks great bud.
The black suits the game perfectly.
And I notice you have a Subbuteo game.
Love that game.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks !

The mainly reason I bought the black edition is I wanted to build all that. With a white plastice frame, the result would not be the same (even if I could paint the wood frame in white Wink )


Quote:
And I notice you have a Subbuteo game.
Love that game.



Yes, actually we have a mini league, here. Here's a link to it (in french) :

http://sportsurtable.blogspot.com/search/label/football%20de%20table%20%28soccer%29

it's a great game too !

I'm a former miniatures wargamer, now "specialized" in table sports :

miniature football US
subbuteo
table hockey
slot car racing


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's the last daylight pics of the completed project.




For bigger pics of the game, here's the links, because they are quite big (700px width)


http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l8/slotdem/DSCF4804.jpg

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l8/slotdem/DSCF4805.jpg

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l8/slotdem/DSCF4809.jpg

Now...it's time to play ! Hockey 1
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 6:04 am    Post subject: High Speed Game Improvements Reply with quote

Your project looks great.
The wood frame support should make the game solid as a rock.
I like the looks of the high speed better than the Play-Off or NHL.

A lot of people do... We are selling about 50% High speed games right now.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great work french-guy!

Love the way it looks and I'm sure it plays well. I like that you can use levelers with the frame to even the board when the inevitable sags come over time.

Also love your miniatures - they look great!
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 7:46 am    Post subject: Hope Reply with quote

FG - the game looks great , the new game is a big step ... design wise and I hope that all your hard work will pay off and eliminate some of the inherent manufacturing flaws build into the board. Let everyone know here how your wood frame is working ( or not ) in the future . Thanks also for the step by step photos ... nicely done . Not Worthy
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for the comments !

tonight I played some games with a friend, of course we are just beginners, but the game is very stable, sturdy and playable. A real pleasure to play on !


the wood frame add a lot of rigidity. Since the game is attached with bolts, nothing move, nothing bends. Just runs perfect !


the high speed game has another advantage in my opinion : the fast surface does not need any treatment or whatever. Put a puck on it, and play. It 's also why I choosed that game (not speaking of the cool look!)
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