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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:50 pm    Post subject: Levelling your ice surface Reply with quote

The text is lost to the original posts, but here
are the photos.

Photos originally posted by Jim Rzonca and
Warren Klotz.











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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Jim Rzonca.... that frame of yours in the photo below. Do you
attach it to the game? Or does the game just sit on it? If it sits on it...
what happens if you put that frame on an uneven table... won't it throw
off the levelling?

Thanks, Warren

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cowboy wrote:
Hey Jim Rzonca.... that frame of yours in the photo below. Do you
attach it to the game? Or does the game just sit on it? If it sits on it...
what happens if you put that frame on an uneven table... won't it throw
off the levelling?

Thanks, Warren



Well you really are BACK eh Warren. First off if your table is not level your not paying attention. If the floor is off shim the table. If the table is bowed then shim the stand/base. Have a small level with you at set-up time. See those slots in the base? My 5340 and 5200 games glass PLUGS INTO THE BASE. This i figured myself and never seen it until. Since then the Thills perfer this method as well so its tested tough. Theres more than one good way to skin a cat. But this is my preference. I like the look and it appears the game is sitting on a table with in reality is the base. And is all SOLID OAK. Very pretty.

Welcome BACK Warren
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cowboy wrote:
Hey Jim Rzonca.... that frame of yours in the photo below. Do you
attach it to the game? Or does the game just sit on it? If it sits on it...
what happens if you put that frame on an uneven table... won't it throw
off the levelling?

Thanks, Warren






Game plugs into the base.
Solid oak and steel bolt levelers, base is HEAVY.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yea I just can't get away Confused

thanks for the Welcome Smile

I was looking for something to level an S slot coleco and your
frame or something based on it is a possibility.

The game and frame won't always be sitting on the same table
so I think an attached frame would be the way to go.

Thanks, Warren

Just noticed that you posted again... man that is a beautiful frame.
Looks like the edge of a dining room table.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keep it attached.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keep it attached. Screw / Bolt the game to its base so its one. That way the levelers will always stay true with very little adjusting needed.. Take it on, off, on, off ect and things will be different and the game will need more adjusting each time. Attttach it, its SOLID and will play with the same personality each time. Nothing worse than a fickle b i t c h.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yea that makes the most sense. It is not my game so it
is not my decision... but the easiest would be to attach it
the game so it stays level.

Of course my handy work won't look like yours... mine
might have some staples, carboard and duct tape just
to hold it together Smile

Thanks Jim!

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:12 pm    Post subject: My solution Reply with quote

Here is my solution. http://www.miniaturefootball.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4572&page=10
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi there

nice job! the only drawback is how to get the rods out?

Nice work though Clapping

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PitCouture wrote:
Here is my solution. I build some wooden legs that support the playing surface and make it straight. It is glued.



Cowboy wrote:
Hi there

nice job! the only drawback is how to get the rods out?

Nice work though Clapping

Warren

You're so right Warren. It's a very good design, but glue isn't necessary.

It looks like the leveler assembly could easily be attached to the sides of the game by screws so it could be detached for rod maintenance.

Rasta
Maybe next time.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 7:31 pm    Post subject: Rough Draft Reply with quote

I made a prototype leveling unit that actually turned out to be fully functional. It's just a piece of plywood, eye bolts and a pair of 4x4s. By using a full top, I can put leveling bolts anywhere and everywhere. I wanted to be able to adjust the leveling bolts without lifting the game up. The sides are open, and it's easy to reach under and hand turn the eye bolts. I'll add hinged side covers to the real one so I can keep that feature.







It's likely the production model will look a little better, if I ever get around to making it.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its adjustable. Nice going Bob! Playing on super level games after playing sloppy slots most our lives will drive a person to this great advancement in playability. Do the work to level it and make it adjustable. When useing wood and without the adjustment part things warp all over again over time. Then its time to get cuttin all over again. My Benej has a acrylic surface and NON ajustable acrylic leveling braces. Its super fine because the acrylic does not warp and the slots are THIN. If you choose not to be adjustable then acrylic is a better brace over time than wood. Me i use wood braces with steel hex bolts as adjusters but there are several good ways to skin this cat. Great Work Bob! Im sure it was worth it as you feel the difference!


Play it Straight!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plus, after I paid for all of my materials, the change from my $20 bill was more than enough to cover dinner and a movie.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 1:31 am    Post subject: Ready to paint Reply with quote









With 15 adjustment bolts on each end, the leveling base works perfectly. Now it's ready to paint.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

I'm curious if anyone has any info on the photo where two pieces of metal were used as braces to level the ice surface of what appears to be an old Munro game? The repairer has 6 black perpendicular supports on each brace, etc.

Thanks in advance for any addtional info on this Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dr.G,

Welcome to the THH Forum!!

Are you talking about this photo...


Actually, that's a Coleco. Anyone know who's work this is?

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul if I remember correctly, I think Jim Rzonca told me that this game came with the levellers as part of the game. Is that correct Jim?

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those were made by COLECO and installed by COLECO on the wide body game. Only set i ever seen. I sold them years ago as i was making my own steel bolt version.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul wrote:
Dr.G,

Welcome to the THH Forum!!

Are you talking about this photo...


Actually, that's a Coleco. Anyone know who's work this is?

-Paul


Yes, that's the one! How interesting that Coleco actually put these in. I guess that was due to the wide body being more prone to warping? That design would work well on my old Munro game, so maybe I'll just need to improvise from the photo unless someone else here has more info on these type of supports. Tks Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is how I've tried to level a Munro.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 8:47 pm    Post subject: Really sublime! Reply with quote

I have been looking thoroughly at this forum's post for 6 consecutive hours today after 3 hours yesterday
(My wife just called me on the phone intercom to say she misses me.)

I am new to this forum and I suppose this is the best place to say helloooo!


I had no idea how many people really get their hands down and dirty customizing these beasts.

I suppose that patience is a virtue because I almost spent $500 on a new game board. Some day I may spend that amount of $$, but for now, these vintage games with adjustments look to be a new great hobby to get into.

Heck, it even gives me a way to begin to use my xmas 10 inch sliding compound mitre saw that Santa brought me.

Great posts.... Clapping
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 5:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, last night I was trying to manually bend a spot in my Winwell near the boards close to the red line and I broke it Crying or Very sad I managed to "fix" it and make it 90% playable again. I fear I will have to make a new surface though..
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 9:54 am    Post subject: tournament ready Reply with quote









It's ready for the Coleco U.S. Open. Rasta
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Those are some nice Stiga pucks on there, Mr. Ingo. Wink
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